@cyrus Look the only way to really know is to be scientific about it, We'll see exactly how well Bluesky responds to reports of hatespeech and document it publicly. I'm going to make an account called #NazisOfBluesky and get a few other people involved, and we're going to do some nazi hunting, because that's fun to do, thank you for the inspiration
@cyrus okay fine, ya know what, I"m going to create an account on blue sky and just screenshot every nazi I can find and post them here, you're so good at your job I really want to see how you spin that 😀
@cyrus@cyrus I mean I'm sure they ban some nazis, even 4chan must ban some users to comply with minimal legal standards, it doesn't stop it from being a safe haven for extremism and abuse content. From what you're telling me, the essence of what I'm saying still stands, nazis are able to operate publicly on bluesky and no action besides a mute is taken against them :aPolarbear:
@cyrus So, If I'm a nazi looking to enjoy some racist content on Bluesky, I can simply change the settings and lift the default filter against hate speech?
on any Bluesky-PBC hosted accounts you cannot remove or disable the Bluesky Moderation Service labeler, only change it's settings
I"m not asking if the end user can remove or the disable the moderation service, ( I would assume you need admin rights to manage such services lmao ) I'm asking, Can the user change the settings so that they may access those accounts flagged as hate speech?
@cyrus i would hope they remove some accounts, you can't just disable that default labeler? also if labeled accounts are public wouldn't that hate speech labeler also function as an index of accounts that promote hate speech? Seems like it would actually help nazis find each other
I'm sorry this concept that "it's okay we label hate speech so you can filter it out" seems like a an elaborate way to exuse hosting hate speech
the serpent character is tragically underdeveloped in this story, like, what is his game? He doesn't benefit in any way, perhaps he just saw how god was fucking humanity over and wanted to free them.
Also notice God just showed up immediately after they ate the fruit and were still processing all that knowledge of good and evil which must have been trippy as fuck... had god not showed up they would have realized "oh shit we better eat of the tree of life next so we can become gods ourselves" but God took decisive action to prevent this from happening.
3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
god lied, the serpent reveals he truth
3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 3:5 God knows that as soon as you eat of it your eyes will be opened and you will be like divine beings who know good and bad.”
Eve listens to the reasoning of the snake, realizes that god has lied to her, and it is in humanities interest to eat of the fruit of knowledge so as to attain humanities innate divine potential
When the woman saw that the tree was good for eating and a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable as a source of wisdom, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave some to her husband, and he ate.
3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened. . .
3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
God is in a physical human form, irrelevant but interesting
3:15 I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your offspring and hers; They shall strike at your head, And you shall strike at their heel.”
3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
God instituted the Patriarchal family and it's necessary suffering as punishment
3:17 To Adam [God] said, “Because you did as your wife said and ate of the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You shall not eat of it,’ Cursed be the ground because of you; By hard labor shall you eat of it All the days of your life:
"because you did as your wife said" is the first line. God does not want the man listening to the woman, why?
3:22: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. "
So God intituted patriarchy as a strategy of divide and conquer, he fears humanity, who could "become like us" divine beings, Eve is demonized exactly because her dangerous potential to assert humanities interest above and against god's domination.
This concludes the Sethian Sunday School lesson for today.
just general paranoid sacriledgejust created a theology, a catechism:
1. All the Gods are Real 2. They are All Evil - lying machievellian self intersted etc. 3. Religious leaders are basically God's cops/informants 4. Humans are oppression by gods and spiritual and social liberation is emancipation from the gods and the assertion of human autonomy/divinity.
This then allows for a radical subversion of all theistic traditions, both asserting their truth value while opening them up to radical interpretation, this is basically sethian gnosticism, only it allows for incorporation of other non abrahamic theisms, greek, egyptian or hindu polytheism, zoroastrianism etc.
Promethius or Expulsion from Eden comes to mind. Or poor Abraham, that god was just fucking with to see if he would do it "Damn dude I didn't think you'd actually murder your own son, you fucking psycho, put the knife down"
just general paranoid sacriledgeAll that considered, assuming that God(s) exists, and can communicate with humans, and so (some) divine relations are actually valid, the question becomes, should one trust what a God says? probably not, what obligation does a god have to tell humans the truth? And why would they communicating at all if they did not have something to gain themselves? and so, if we read the history of religion from the perspective of Amoral Archons, you get a very interesting narrative of competing gods as a kind of supernatural elite exploiting and decieving humanity for their own ends.
Consider then, monotheistic religions, perhaps a lesser god just said it was the One True God then commanded it to kill the followers of the other "false" i.e. rival gods. Perhaps the same God appears to humans in the guise of different opposing Gods, The Akhenaten Heresy a revolution and counter revolutoin by and against and upstart god Aten.
greek religiongreek polytheism / morality is always interesting to revisit, like Odysseus he's the paragon of male virtue, what is virtuous to the Greeks? Lying and Stealing from the Gods is virtuous and the Gods themselves lie cheat and steal all the time. The Greek Gods are Amoral to a fault, and humans must struggle against the gods to get what they want.
And that's something we kinda lost, like God ain't on our sides, ever, maybe the interests of humanity and the will of God are diametrically opposed. We're on our own.
@luca@svenja so they do have a system of reports and take downs? I would hope so at the very least because CSAM could easily get their servers seized by the feds -- especially with the owner of twitter in the whitehouse lmao -- still i'm hearing a lot of things about far right extremists, racists and such operating basically in the open with no moderation action being taken, or even setting up deceptive libelers to harass trans and other marginalized people. Seems they're gonna learn about "the paradox of tolerance" the hard way.
The city metaphor is basically how the fediverse operates, personally, i think a lot of fedi is overly strict in their moderation approach ( people shouldn't be fediblocked for sharing an edgy meme, that just pushes people into arms of the extreme right ) but go too far in other direction and you have a nazi bar.
trollish subtoot of a very wholesome post on religionone gets the impression if the read the Rig Veda for example, that this idea of loving and just god is quite modern and reflective of a certain detachment from wild nature. You don't worship Indra because he's Good and Just. You better fucking make that burnt offering and recite these sycophantic hymns or else he's gonna send a tornado to your village and wipe out your whole family. If you kiss his ass enough maybe he'll help you murder your enemies, if he feels like it.
trollish subtoot of a very wholesome post on religionyes that's all well and good but...
but what if the god or gods of this world are actually evil and sow discord among humanity just for the lulz?
i mean, assuming there is a God or Gods or whatever higher order sentient beings we are subject to, what evidence is there that the God(s) of this world are good or caring or have any use for human morality? Should we deduce this from living nature where every living thing must constantly anihilate other living things to survive? ( with the exception of mushrooms, they're chill )
Do you care about the innumerable microscopic organisms you obliterate by washing your hands? Whole lineages, an entire ecology poisoned en mass, flushed down the drain in an instant. You monster!
I fucks with Job cuz God straight up breaks character, looks directly at the camera and says:
yeah honestly I really don't give a fuck about you humans and your petty suffering, you're less than ants to me, in fact, how dare you waste my time with your blubbering 'oh boo hoo my wife and children died, i lost everything waaah' shut up you little bitch (exact quote)
and what do you do about Evil God? Nothing, there's absolutely nothing you can do, cope. We only have each other for the little time we're here.
@LukefromDC@ncoca yeah but that wouldn't happen but just having a US passport will garuntee a temporal visa to any country in the western hemisphere, i don't think one even needs a passport to enter Mexico or Canada
