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lumpen 🍉 III @scrum@wanderingwires.net
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on the socialist character of china @yogthos @Arindam

When i say "run by capitalists" i think it's clear i'm referring to the leadership, I could if i wanted to list out influential members of the central committee or chinese parliament who billions ( many) or millionaires (most) with massive stock portfolios, i'm not going to waste both of our times dragging this out, but saying that the CPC has "almost no capitalists" is just silly, i mean those billionaires that get executed that are almost always influential CPC members, sure the leadership aren't all super rich, and most rank and file members of the CPC are workers, this is true of basically every political party in the world because workers necessarily make up the majority under capitalism.

I find it strange that you can refer to "the chinese people" as some great mass who thinks exactly the same and all those 2 billion people happen to agree with you. I never claimed I know china better than chinese people, but people there are surely aware that they have to get up every day and work at a job with makes capitalists richer, so no i don't
know china but i think you also have an oversimplified view of Chinese society that handwaves away facts and lived experiences. You can also read things by academics and activists, chinese Marxists who will tell you basically what I've said. And if you just keep up with chinese mainstream media, you'd see how silly it is, these days china is very consumerist, the economic press discourse is neoliberal as hell, it's all about growth for it's own sake and securing foriegn investment, pop culture is all about success status and conspicuous consumption, it's capitalist as hell You're not gonna here the term "dictatorship of the proletariat" like ever lmao. Ya'll really think China is a a country where everyone is an ML, no Dengism i.e. Socialism with Chinese Characteristics is really ideologically
different from old school MLism, Socialism with Chinese Characteristics, contra Western Socialism, is quite alright with capitalism, actually, so long as the state gets a cut and no single capitalist gets too big for it's bridges.

China is a diverse country, even within leadership of CPC or among policymakers and academics there is serious disagreement about what socialism means, or how the economy should be managed. class conflict also is an intensifying problem with increased stratification. It's actually a serious threat to the whole system -- a western backed billionaire led insurrection is a real danger which is why Xi has to reign in so many billionaires, because there's so many -- so if you want to have some grasp of current development there you can't rule out these facts.