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lumpen 🍉 III @scrum@wanderingwires.net
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on the socialist character of china @yogthos @Arindam

because of word limits i had to remove a lot of qualifying statements i'm sorry if that comes off as blunt, i think there's a fundamental disagreement here as to what constitutes socialism, i would grant that China is State Socialist, in similar way to USSR or Cuba (while these are all also unique cases ) but hitherto existing state socialism has always state capitalism, it's just Capital controlled by the state and managed by a Socialist Party, that's not the same as socialism/communism as a
mode of production i.e. collective ownership and control over the means of production...

Anyway, i used to be hard line on this, but i think we can agree to disagree to some extent, since to those of us outside of China and it's sphere of influence what we think as to the "true nature" of a society we are not apart of, whose langauge most of us can't even understand, that's not as important as things we have direct control over ( challenging our own imperialist governmnets ) But since we should seek links with progressive workers inside china, simply parroting what the PRC says could hinder genuine solidarity efforts

So for example, regardless of what we think as to the "socialist character" of china, or even then territorial claims, we can still oppose how the US is antagonizing the conflict in Taiwan in a way that only benefits their arms industry while putting millions of lives in danger.